is it the romney there last night or the romney in the past? do you think he really believes that 2014 is it? or he asks the generals again, do we stay longer? >> we're probably going to end up with some sort of a residual force, but right now close to 70,000. if we end up with 10,000 or 15,000 in afghanistan, it's not the end of the world. i think it makes sense if we can get a situation where americans and afghans can work together and train together. the biggest problem with afghanistan is people we're training are killing the americans. >> and, willie, that really is -- i did not go to any military colleges, but if you were actually training people to turn around and kill you, that's a bad sign you need to get out of the country. >> i audited a class at west pointe once. >> here we go. we were doing so well. coming up live -- >> what about the giants? we're going to talk about the giants. >> we're going to keep going here. senator john mccain will be here onset. and also romney's sparring partner and debate prep, dr. brzezinski will join us